With a few modifications, I left this comment at Dalrock, in response to Rachel who asked:
Ok, so I get the AF/BB analysis and agree that AWALT. Do you think that women have just been spoilt by getting a taste of an AF that is above their MMV and are therefore unhappy with their BB or is it that we have lost the art of submission and that that is what fuels female sexual desire. I think that the alpha provokes/demand submission but a woman can choose to give it and create a similar effect. Or is it that the way society was ordered in the past made all men appear more alpha because they had the automatic social standing of being a man among men rather than a good guy in a feminine centric society?
This is a question that I can only remember being asked once before (on the old Sunshine Mary blog) and it has not been sufficiently answered. (Disclaimer: I have not read every word of every manosphere/red pill blog since the beginning of time, so its probably been addressed elsewhere).
If, as you write, willful submission to a husband who otherwise does not generate attraction on his own merits, (because he is not a natural super hot alpha rockstar drummer dude) works to generate it, then snarky obnoxious ball busting wives of the current era are sitting on an untouched goldmine of marital satisfaction. Just try submission for a week and see what happens! One argument for this is a faith-based one. That is, submission is a commandment, and it takes a tremendous amount of faith (especially for women) to submit to a man. This is because of their tendency to always have anxiety driven questions in the backs of their minds. “Why should I submit to some man?” “What if he makes a mistake and it costs us our livelihood/security/house/etc?” “What if he tells me to rob a bank?” “If I am accountable to my husband, who is he accountable to?” and so forth. In that context. she must suspend those fears and submit anyway. And what if, on the other side of that submission she finds herself more attracted to her husband, the leader. (I write that this is a bigger problem for women, because men find it infitinetly easier to obey orders from proper authorities even when they personally disagree with the orders. This is what my life in the military for 17 years has taught me.) It occurs to Rachel that this would create a power differential in favor of the man by bestowing status upon him–and male status is one of the vectors of attraction for women. I do not recall this being a promise of God (submit and you will find him a hell of a lot more sexy. This is probably because “finding your husband sexy” was not a part of marital success prior to the advent of the gospel of personal fulfillment in all things).
If, on the other hand, the problem is a naturally occurring one that is extremely amplified by the fem-centric order and societies caving in to female sexual strategy, the problem was created by a systemic rebellion against God and His created order. At this point, it is impossible to know.
However, and this part may get me in trouble with Christian game types, if there is a solution to it–that is, if the question can be answered–only women can do it under the current laws (crushing DV and divorce court) and mores. The risk of employing “game,” even under “your own” roof is just off the charts high for most men to even consider. (And we return to the chicken and egg conundrum. Are men with a low appetite for risk just too pussy and beta to try it? Some Christian game pushers come across that way to me sometimes).
Basically, wives, on an individual basis have to wake up tomorrow and try it, voluntarily. They have to arise in the morning and resolve “I am married and living under the authority of my husband. I am going to behave that way on faith.” This is very unlikely. But its why I regularly implore the women of the Christian red-pill (the Elspeths and so on of the world) to network together and plead with younger Christian wives before its too late. To get together and speak of these things — no catty shit talking about their husbands — just building each other up in Christian love and desire to fill the role laid out for them as wives. Maybe they already do, and that is all that can be asked. The basis for this could be as easy as “hows snarky #hesnotthebossofme working for us? Maybe, just maybe, we could try something else. It certainly couldn’t be worse.” This would require raw courage. Courage is a precious commodity among all of humanity. It is even more so among women, because they were not built to be heroic risk takers.
Otherwise, I am afraid the “enjoy the decline” types are right. The correction will come after a collapse. It will be a dystopian world where order is restored through much pain and suffering. I do not want that. There is enough of that in this world already.
Anyway, I made this into its own post because several of my readers are not also Dalrock readers.